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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-235</guid>
		<description>I am no expert in the genre of low budget exploitation for profit/horror, and I've only been to one double feature in my whole life (Blue Thunder and The Concrete Jungle), but I get the joke and I love these filmmakers, and I wouldn't have missed 'Grindhouse' for anything.  

I appreciate the artistry of Tarantino's long takes with the floating-camera-'round-table-while-people-eat trick he does so well, but what does this pay homage to other than his other work?  I thought the 'Grindhouse' was supposed to be a send-up of all of those shitty movies Fred loves so much.  I think Rodriguez turned in his homework assignment for an A+ while Tarantino lost his way somewhere in the process.  With that being said, I loved both films anyway!

P.S.-For the sake of the entire experience, 'Planet Terror' should have followed 'Death Proof'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no expert in the genre of low budget exploitation for profit/horror, and I&#8217;ve only been to one double feature in my whole life (Blue Thunder and The Concrete Jungle), but I get the joke and I love these filmmakers, and I wouldn&#8217;t have missed &#8216;Grindhouse&#8217; for anything.  </p>
<p>I appreciate the artistry of Tarantino&#8217;s long takes with the floating-camera-&#8217;round-table-while-people-eat trick he does so well, but what does this pay homage to other than his other work?  I thought the &#8216;Grindhouse&#8217; was supposed to be a send-up of all of those shitty movies Fred loves so much.  I think Rodriguez turned in his homework assignment for an A+ while Tarantino lost his way somewhere in the process.  With that being said, I loved both films anyway!</p>
<p>P.S.-For the sake of the entire experience, &#8216;Planet Terror&#8217; should have followed &#8216;Death Proof&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Schroeder</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-227</guid>
		<description>In re-reading my comments.  I have to admit to being a bit over zealous here and to being a bit of an asshole.  Please forgive your humble servant in this regard as he means well and has the best of intentions, meaning no ill will to anyone.  It should also be pointed out that I am always correct in everything that I say and write.

"Salo" may be the greatest film ever made.  That's a documented fact about which there can be no question.

Finally, Tim someday you and I will escape together and spend endless days and nights on an island where our true love can express itself and we will be fullfilled as no other men have been fullfilled.  Someday ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re-reading my comments.  I have to admit to being a bit over zealous here and to being a bit of an asshole.  Please forgive your humble servant in this regard as he means well and has the best of intentions, meaning no ill will to anyone.  It should also be pointed out that I am always correct in everything that I say and write.</p>
<p>&#8220;Salo&#8221; may be the greatest film ever made.  That&#8217;s a documented fact about which there can be no question.</p>
<p>Finally, Tim someday you and I will escape together and spend endless days and nights on an island where our true love can express itself and we will be fullfilled as no other men have been fullfilled.  Someday &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-225</guid>
		<description>This is the most I've heard of Fred in almost 2 months. 

usually it's: 

"working"

"sorry. can't"

or 

(no reply)

Basically, it's come to this: insult a movie he enjoys in order to get bonafide interaction? Well, "SALO" SUCKS SUCKAH!

I'm just giving you shit, Fred. Though, we all do miss you. 

Hi Don! I'm about to join you in the world of Fatherhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most I&#8217;ve heard of Fred in almost 2 months. </p>
<p>usually it&#8217;s: </p>
<p>&#8220;working&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;sorry. can&#8217;t&#8221;</p>
<p>or </p>
<p>(no reply)</p>
<p>Basically, it&#8217;s come to this: insult a movie he enjoys in order to get bonafide interaction? Well, &#8220;SALO&#8221; SUCKS SUCKAH!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just giving you shit, Fred. Though, we all do miss you. </p>
<p>Hi Don! I&#8217;m about to join you in the world of Fatherhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Schroeder</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 09:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-222</guid>
		<description>I loved the whole "Gindhouse" experience/ride ("Death Proof" and all, hell especially "Death Proof") because I loved going to see double features at the New Beverly in college and seeing really crappy movies (real stinkers like "Blood Diner" and "Street Trash") in all their awful glory.  I loved trading video-tapes in junior high to see things like â€œThe Last House on the Leftâ€ and â€œI Spit on Your Graveâ€ (which are just reprehensible films but still I love them.)  And Iâ€™m not ashamed to admit I fucking loved USAâ€™s â€œUp All Nightâ€ with Caroline Schlitt and later Rhonda Shear. I love the audacious in all its forms, be it â€œZardozâ€ or â€œDreamcatcher.â€  Show me something new or surprise me and do it with enough sheer audacity and Iâ€™ll come along for the ride you crazy bastard.  Thatâ€™s what â€œGrindhouseâ€ did and for me it was a pleasure of induced nostalgia and amazement at the new.

Now, I donâ€™t know if it devalues a work if you have to have seen something else to enjoy it.  Iâ€™ll let stunted man-children with no sense of humanity debate that particular fucking issue.  All I know is: Iâ€™ve seen â€œVanishing Point,â€ â€œThe Swinging Cheerleaders,â€ â€œFaster Pussycat â€¦ Kill Kill Killâ€ â€œDirty Mary Crazy Larry,â€ â€œMovie Movie,â€ â€œTwo Lane Blacktop,â€ â€œMacon County,â€ â€œReturn to Macon County.â€  (Look, Iâ€™ve seen a lot of crappy movies, okay.  Last night I watched something called â€œBaron Bloodâ€ by Mario Bava and thought it was great.)  Anyway, I have a great love for those films and watching â€œDeath Proofâ€ you can tell the filmmaker loves those movies too.  Especially â€œMacon Countyâ€ which is just a weird meandering movie.  And so is â€œDeath Proof.â€  Itâ€™s just weird, man.

When grindhouse movies were weird it was because they were made in a hurry or had no money or because they were made by inept directors (like Ed Wood etc) but sometimes it was because an outstanding filmmaker like Larry Cohen was taking advantage of his situation.  When that happened you got fantastic things like â€œGod Told Me Toâ€ and Tarintino pulls the same trick with â€œDeath Proof.â€

â€œDeath Proofâ€ is one of Tarantinoâ€™s most unique films and probably the most original thing heâ€™s done since the Palm Dâ€™Or winning â€œPulp Fictionâ€ By the way,  I thought â€œKill Billâ€ was pretty great too.  Heâ€™s a singular filmmaker who is attuned to all things cinematic and is one of the few filmmakers who understands the language of cinema and how to use it.  Heâ€™s a crazy bastard.  Who makes a movie so weird and full of outlandish shit?  Itâ€™s a no brainer to say that the final car chase is on par with â€œThe French Connection,â€ â€œBullet,â€ and Cronenbergâ€™s â€œCrash.â€  A particular delight is when the two 70s cars join the freeway filled with minivans, SUVs and family sedans as the modern comes crashing into the past.  

Beyond the obvious car chase, is the sequence where the camera spins around the coffee table as the second group of women tell the story where Zoe Bell fell down a hill trying to take a picture. In the middle of the scene Stuntman Mike sits out of focus in the background and remains there uncommented on as this figure of impending menace.  The whole scene is an unbroken shot (at least six minutes) that is just beautiful to watch on a technical level (especially knowing Tarantino served as his own DP) and on a narrative/suspense level (a textbook example of Hitchcockâ€™s bomb under the table rule.)

For me itâ€™s stuff like this that made the movie a fantastic pleasure.  But not everyone has even seen those old crappy movies (and maybe they shouldnâ€™t) or has the same voracious love for cinema in all its forms (especially the slimiest forms) that I have, so theyâ€™re not going to like it.  And itâ€™s not about not â€œgetting itâ€ or sharing some inside â€œwink, wink, nudge, nudgeâ€ bullshit, ironic joke.  Itâ€™s not about that.  Itâ€™s not irony.  Itâ€™s love.  Real fucking love for real fucking movies.  This is a goddamn religion. Now get out of my church and rain on someone elseâ€™s parade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the whole &#8220;Gindhouse&#8221; experience/ride (&#8221;Death Proof&#8221; and all, hell especially &#8220;Death Proof&#8221;) because I loved going to see double features at the New Beverly in college and seeing really crappy movies (real stinkers like &#8220;Blood Diner&#8221; and &#8220;Street Trash&#8221;) in all their awful glory.  I loved trading video-tapes in junior high to see things like â€œThe Last House on the Leftâ€ and â€œI Spit on Your Graveâ€ (which are just reprehensible films but still I love them.)  And Iâ€™m not ashamed to admit I fucking loved USAâ€™s â€œUp All Nightâ€ with Caroline Schlitt and later Rhonda Shear. I love the audacious in all its forms, be it â€œZardozâ€ or â€œDreamcatcher.â€  Show me something new or surprise me and do it with enough sheer audacity and Iâ€™ll come along for the ride you crazy bastard.  Thatâ€™s what â€œGrindhouseâ€ did and for me it was a pleasure of induced nostalgia and amazement at the new.</p>
<p>Now, I donâ€™t know if it devalues a work if you have to have seen something else to enjoy it.  Iâ€™ll let stunted man-children with no sense of humanity debate that particular fucking issue.  All I know is: Iâ€™ve seen â€œVanishing Point,â€ â€œThe Swinging Cheerleaders,â€ â€œFaster Pussycat â€¦ Kill Kill Killâ€ â€œDirty Mary Crazy Larry,â€ â€œMovie Movie,â€ â€œTwo Lane Blacktop,â€ â€œMacon County,â€ â€œReturn to Macon County.â€  (Look, Iâ€™ve seen a lot of crappy movies, okay.  Last night I watched something called â€œBaron Bloodâ€ by Mario Bava and thought it was great.)  Anyway, I have a great love for those films and watching â€œDeath Proofâ€ you can tell the filmmaker loves those movies too.  Especially â€œMacon Countyâ€ which is just a weird meandering movie.  And so is â€œDeath Proof.â€  Itâ€™s just weird, man.</p>
<p>When grindhouse movies were weird it was because they were made in a hurry or had no money or because they were made by inept directors (like Ed Wood etc) but sometimes it was because an outstanding filmmaker like Larry Cohen was taking advantage of his situation.  When that happened you got fantastic things like â€œGod Told Me Toâ€ and Tarintino pulls the same trick with â€œDeath Proof.â€</p>
<p>â€œDeath Proofâ€ is one of Tarantinoâ€™s most unique films and probably the most original thing heâ€™s done since the Palm Dâ€™Or winning â€œPulp Fictionâ€ By the way,  I thought â€œKill Billâ€ was pretty great too.  Heâ€™s a singular filmmaker who is attuned to all things cinematic and is one of the few filmmakers who understands the language of cinema and how to use it.  Heâ€™s a crazy bastard.  Who makes a movie so weird and full of outlandish shit?  Itâ€™s a no brainer to say that the final car chase is on par with â€œThe French Connection,â€ â€œBullet,â€ and Cronenbergâ€™s â€œCrash.â€  A particular delight is when the two 70s cars join the freeway filled with minivans, SUVs and family sedans as the modern comes crashing into the past.  </p>
<p>Beyond the obvious car chase, is the sequence where the camera spins around the coffee table as the second group of women tell the story where Zoe Bell fell down a hill trying to take a picture. In the middle of the scene Stuntman Mike sits out of focus in the background and remains there uncommented on as this figure of impending menace.  The whole scene is an unbroken shot (at least six minutes) that is just beautiful to watch on a technical level (especially knowing Tarantino served as his own DP) and on a narrative/suspense level (a textbook example of Hitchcockâ€™s bomb under the table rule.)</p>
<p>For me itâ€™s stuff like this that made the movie a fantastic pleasure.  But not everyone has even seen those old crappy movies (and maybe they shouldnâ€™t) or has the same voracious love for cinema in all its forms (especially the slimiest forms) that I have, so theyâ€™re not going to like it.  And itâ€™s not about not â€œgetting itâ€ or sharing some inside â€œwink, wink, nudge, nudgeâ€ bullshit, ironic joke.  Itâ€™s not about that.  Itâ€™s not irony.  Itâ€™s love.  Real fucking love for real fucking movies.  This is a goddamn religion. Now get out of my church and rain on someone elseâ€™s parade.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-218</guid>
		<description>Planet Terror was great. Don't was sublime. And I love the films Death Proof was trying to be. Sorry, was "paying homage to". It was still rubbish. Bah. Novelty does not automatically equal entertainment, even on the spurious junk food comparison-o-meter.

And hi Don!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planet Terror was great. Don&#8217;t was sublime. And I love the films Death Proof was trying to be. Sorry, was &#8220;paying homage to&#8221;. It was still rubbish. Bah. Novelty does not automatically equal entertainment, even on the spurious junk food comparison-o-meter.</p>
<p>And hi Don!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Schroeder</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Schroeder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-214</guid>
		<description>What are you guys doing seeing a movie like Grindhouse? Have you no decency?  Like the best junk food, it's not for everyone.  If you don't like the films it's paying homage to why bother?

That said, there's never been anything like Grindhouse in the theaters.  Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you guys doing seeing a movie like Grindhouse? Have you no decency?  Like the best junk food, it&#8217;s not for everyone.  If you don&#8217;t like the films it&#8217;s paying homage to why bother?</p>
<p>That said, there&#8217;s never been anything like Grindhouse in the theaters.  Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Z</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-213</guid>
		<description>Hi Tom!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death Proof was a self indulgent wankfest of witless dialogue and cheap racist invective that criminally wasted both Kurt Russell's performance and my time. Two good car set pieces do not equal a good Grindhouse movie, and the film doesn't so much subvert cinematic convention a la 'Psycho' as it does shamelessly steal from it. And I'm a Tarantino fan. Fred Schroeder, go to your room. I'm confiscating your Fulci movies until you've learned your lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death Proof was a self indulgent wankfest of witless dialogue and cheap racist invective that criminally wasted both Kurt Russell&#8217;s performance and my time. Two good car set pieces do not equal a good Grindhouse movie, and the film doesn&#8217;t so much subvert cinematic convention a la &#8216;Psycho&#8217; as it does shamelessly steal from it. And I&#8217;m a Tarantino fan. Fred Schroeder, go to your room. I&#8217;m confiscating your Fulci movies until you&#8217;ve learned your lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Z</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-209</guid>
		<description>I move we spell it "geenyus" when we mean it like that from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I move we spell it &#8220;geenyus&#8221; when we mean it like that from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bluemag.com/2007/04/11/grindhouse/#comment-208</guid>
		<description>Don't!!!

That part was the most awesome.  Planet Terror was good for what it was, and the Tarantino thing was absolute genius*!!!!!

*i define genius as something relentlessly boring and self-indulgent made by stunted man-child with no sense of humanity and absolutely nothing to say about anything and whose latest masturbatory abstractions can only be defended by people who like to use the phrase, "Well, that's the whole point!"  Pure Cinema!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t!!!</p>
<p>That part was the most awesome.  Planet Terror was good for what it was, and the Tarantino thing was absolute genius*!!!!!</p>
<p>*i define genius as something relentlessly boring and self-indulgent made by stunted man-child with no sense of humanity and absolutely nothing to say about anything and whose latest masturbatory abstractions can only be defended by people who like to use the phrase, &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s the whole point!&#8221;  Pure Cinema!</p>
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